France Netherlands 1981 [R]

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2OqDsDUlBQ

    Qualified Les Bleus to WC 82.


  • thanks guignol. I really love football but don't know much about it.


  • the first match i ever saw OL play (actually the second match, since i saw an martigues-OL when they were in D2) i actually went to gerland to root for martigues! but that day, even though they ended up drawing with a newly promoted team, i was hooked. the "champagne football" tigana had them playing was just too lovely to watch.

    oranje used to elicit the same feeling worldwide... but have you seen the thuggery they practice nowadays? it's to hang your head in shame.


  • if they're talking about this year's PSV they have a point, one with which angel marcos agrees...

    ... one has to stop saying that PSV Eindhoven is a team that puts their opponents to sleep and prevents them from expressing themselves. It's a bolder team than last year, which attacks, varies their game, which has skill. It's to the enormous credit of this club, which recruits very well...
    http://www.equipe.fr/Football/20060928_002224Dev.html

    but if you look, not only at last june's matches against portugal and especially the ivory coast, but also PSV's matches against OL the last two seasons, and compare to the glory days of oranje and ajax, or the 1994 semifinal agaist brazil or even ajax's CL success in the 90's, it's chalk and cheese.

    the most salient aspect of what i've seen (admittedly not a great deal) of dutch football recently is the use of the foul as the primary tactical device. besides the physical wear and tear or the psychological effects, it chops up the rhythm of the game, effectively counteracting such secondary qualities as speed, power and skill.


  • [I I am more attracted to attractive football as well as the dutch team's total play and possession strategy.[I]

    Ya most of us do. Don't let anyone else see you say that or they'll call you a snob. :rolleyes: :)


  • Pardon my ignorance but what does [R] mean?


  • alas, if it had only been that fighting, and if it had only been the portugal match! but the problem is much deeper. holland just doesn't have any class anymore, neither in NT nor clubs.


    How so? This is a totally opposite view from what I heard on the netherlands board. Elaborate Please.


  • imagine that in travels before i came to france i had seen both cruyff and platini play without even realizing who i was watching, or even that they were any good.

    thats quite an admission (confession) Guignol. to be in the presence of greatness and to be so oblivious...but at least you can appreciate those players now!

    it reminds me how I had a chance to see Zidane play with Real Madrid at Giants Stadium in NY but didnt hear about the game until after it was played. My only chance to see Zizou and I blew it. *sigh*


  • help you do what?


  • Nice clip. Still wondering though why there is a [R] for a clip of a game played a quarter of a century ago lol.


  • i wasn't aware that newbies were blocked from creating threads, in any case it won't be for very long, just a few posts to show you're not just selling mobile phones or viagra.

    in any case, it's general etiquette, and also highly recommended to hang around a forum for a while before starting a thread.

    so welcome, take the time to contribute a bit to the existing threads (there must be some subject here you find interesting) and you'll have your thread before you know it!


  • alas, if it had only been that fighting, and if it had only been the portugal match! but the problem is much deeper. holland just doesn't have any class anymore, neither in NT nor clubs.

    and mind you, i lived a year and a half in holland before ever coming to france and it took me a couple of years to root for france over the netherlands; as late as 2000 oranje held, if not dual, at least secondary allegiance from me.


  • hello I'm new hear, and since it won't allow me to make my own thread will you guys help me?


  • {R} is for results, when a thread gives the score of a game that has been recently played. some people tape games or watch replays and don't want them spoiled by threads.


  • oranje used to elicit the same feeling worldwide

    -True. I still root for clockwork orange, but I also was of witness in seeing the huge fight between them and the portugese. That wasn't good sportsmanship on either side.


  • i see you posted i orange... any special reason? ;)


    it's a rite sans mythe, a glorious and completely futile exercise, instantaneous and eternal, sublime and ridiculous... it's like sport only better.

    No special reason at all, I am just a colorful person, and I feel it's a waste If I don't use it:p .

    It's a bit different for me, when I was just a little kid I remember mi papi watching it, but I hadn't the feintest interest in the sport. Then I don't know why but for some reason I watched a couple games and then the WC 06, and was sucked in. I am more attracted to attractive football as well as the dutch team's total play and possession strategy.


    Are you an administrator?


  • i see you posted i orange... any special reason? ;)

    football, you'll find, is like wine, bach or proust; somewhat dull at first but with subtlety and richness that makes a lifetime too short to really explore all its beauties and complexities.

    i used to be an american football, and especially baseball, fan. the first 2 years i lived in france football was simply a replacement. it took me a while to break through that layer where it was just jerseys running around on a field... (imagine that in travels before i came to france i had seen both cruyff and platini play without even realizing who i was watching, or even that they were any good!)

    but now football is the only sport for me. it's taken 15 years, but i've finally figured it out a bit... the ball is round, there are 11 men a side, and in the end trezeguet misses his PK... and then you start over.

    it's a rite sans mythe, a glorious and completely futile exercise, instantaneous and eternal, sublime and ridiculous... it's like sport only better.







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